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Message 4366 - Posted: 14 Aug 2010, 18:48:24 UTC

Just upgraded the server software - let me know if you notice any (unusual) problems.

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Message 4382 - Posted: 17 Aug 2010, 3:01:01 UTC - in response to Message 4366.

Interesting - though everything online says it's running, all BOINC shows is that communication deferred under status as it counts down.. my other projects are running just fine - Milkyway and SETI.

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Message 4387 - Posted: 17 Aug 2010, 15:17:10 UTC

my Boinc can connect without problems...

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Message 4405 - Posted: 25 Aug 2010, 19:57:14 UTC - in response to Message 4387.


For me too, no problem



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Message 4416 - Posted: 4 Sep 2010, 0:07:05 UTC

Hello there,

same problem as dave, i am waiting for WU for about 5 full days now.

Other projects run fine:

project has no task available





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Message 4417 - Posted: 4 Sep 2010, 17:51:54 UTC - in response to Message 4366.

I have had an active job running for GARLI5.13 58190600.... for some time now. It is "stuck" on "95%" completed. Recently, a related GARLI 5.13 job has started that is running that has a "high priority" status. It has "taken over" computing, but it is stuck at 1% completed. What is going on?

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Message 4418 - Posted: 4 Sep 2010, 18:51:56 UTC - in response to Message 4417.

What would that have to do with "server software upgraded"?

To find answers to your question, look at

(those are all clickable links)

You should never post your email address at a public forum. There are lots of spambots out there!

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Message 4419 - Posted: 5 Sep 2010, 0:25:42 UTC - in response to Message 4417.

I have had an active job running for GARLI5.13 58190600.... for some time now. It is "stuck" on "95%" completed. Recently, a related GARLI 5.13 job has started that is running that has a "high priority" status. It has "taken over" computing, but it is stuck at 1% completed. What is going on?

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G'Day Emeritus,
You only have to read the many forum posts to find your answer to these questions. But I will give my run down on them.

A GARLI work unit takes many hours on 1% before it reaches it's first checkpoint.
It will then play nice with other projects and switch in and out, that is until it reaches 95%.

The WU does not checkpoint past 95% and runs continually till it gets to 100%.
If you stop the WU, if Boinc runs benchmarks, if you do Windows updates and reboot, if you run AQUA and it takes over all cores for a while therefore stopping the Lattice WU, if you run out of memory and the WU has to wait for more, or any other action that causes the WU to stop then it will go back to the last checkpoint (at 95%) no matter how many hours it has been computing when at 95%.

This makes the WU look like it is 'stuck' when in fact it is not.
Process time when on 1% could be as high as 45 hours or as low as 18 hours (this time may be different for different work units and different computers), then it will start progressing further and the progress bar will go up.

When it reaches 95% it could then take as long as all the time it took you to get to 95% to do the last 5% due to the WU correlating all the data that was processed during the time up to the 95% mark.

So they are not stuck but could go round in circles if they keep getting stopped, either during the first 1% or the last 5% (95% to 100%).

Stick it out, think of them as a challenge.

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Message 4423 - Posted: 11 Sep 2010, 23:30:19 UTC - in response to Message 4419.

Team: Please review this discussion between me and Conan. A response to one of his queries: I cannot find any such "slot" data. .

The rest is a question from me:

Is the program "stuck" as I believe it may have been for a week? How would I know?

Again - please read the discussion:

Under "Properties" it shows CPU Time: 194:14; Time Remaining: 10:13; Fraction Done: 95.000%; Working Set Size: 675 MB; Virtual Memory Size: 981 MB. and I made the changes that you have previously suggested.

None of these numbers have changed for days and days, other than the steadily-increasing CPU & Elapsed Times.

Did you look for the slot directory I mentioned? There should be some (text) file where you can see the progress, but since my machines can't run GARLI tasks, I can't help you further. However, I know that there have been threads on the forum concerning that.


It seems reasonable that for those of us not in the actual research group, but who are just virtual team members, some "anti-frustration" factor should be available.

So, is this part of the project stuck in an endless loop, stuck in a mode where it is inching (micrometer-ing!) towards an asymptote, or juest working on a fraction of a job as it usually does?

I would guess it's the "inching mode", but can't be sure without knowledge of your log files.

Please let me know and if you wish, bring the rest of the team or the Administrator into this part of the discussion.

The easiest way to initiate a discussion would be to start a new thread on the forum, but since there are several on this topic already, perhaps you can find some answers there or continue in them. For links to those threads, please refer to my answer to your very first post on the News subforum.

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Message 4424 - Posted: 11 Sep 2010, 23:37:45 UTC - in response to Message 4423.

If you haven't interrupted the job in any way since 95%, then it is likely still crunching. You should be able to find a log file in your 'slots' folder, as indicated. If you search your computer you'll find the slots folders - see if any files have been written to recently in there.

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Message 4425 - Posted: 12 Sep 2010, 7:32:05 UTC - in response to Message 4423.

The Message of Emeritus contains part of a PM exchange between Emeritus and me (Gundolf Jahn, not Conan :-) and I'll reinsert the quote tags for better readability:

Team: Please review this discussion between me and Conan. A response to one of his queries: I cannot find any such "slot" data. .

The rest is a question from me:

Is the program "stuck" as I believe it may have been for a week? How would I know?

Again - please read the discussion:

Emeritus wrote:
Under "Properties" it shows CPU Time: 194:14; Time Remaining: 10:13; Fraction Done: 95.000%; Working Set Size: 675 MB; Virtual Memory Size: 981 MB. and I made the changes that you have previously suggested.

None of these numbers have changed for days and days, other than the steadily-increasing CPU & Elapsed Times.

Did you look for the slot directory I mentioned? There should be some (text) file where you can see the progress, but since my machines can't run GARLI tasks, I can't help you further. However, I know that there have been threads on the forum concerning that.

Emeritus wrote:
It seems reasonable that for those of us not in the actual research group, but who are just virtual team members, some "anti-frustration" factor should be available.

So, is this part of the project stuck in an endless loop, stuck in a mode where it is inching (micrometer-ing!) towards an asymptote, or juest working on a fraction of a job as it usually does?

I would guess it's the "inching mode", but can't be sure without knowledge of your log files.

Emeritus wrote:
Please let me know and if you wish, bring the rest of the team or the Administrator into this part of the discussion.

The easiest way to initiate a discussion would be to start a new thread on the forum, but since there are several on this topic already, perhaps you can find some answers there or continue in them. For links to those threads, please refer to my answer to your very first post on the News subforum.

Gruß,
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And to make it complete, here's my answer to the original PM:
Is there any way to find out if I am at 95.001, 95.002 or...? Just curious because, well just because. Looking at the computer working and the number 95 is frustrating if nothing else.

Yes, I believe there is, but since my computers can't do GARLI, I have no personal experience with this. I've read somewhere in these (sub)fora that there is a file in the "slot" directory where you can see the iterations done.

Those slot directories are located beneath the BOINC data directory, which itself might be hidden by windows.

@Emeritus: The path to the data directory is listed in the Messages tab of BOINC manager after a reboot.

And again: it would be better to start a new thread for this discussion, not in the News subforum.

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Message 4433 - Posted: 17 Sep 2010, 8:57:28 UTC - in response to Message 4425.

To find the slots folder.

Firstly go to 'My Computer', click on tools, go to 'folder options', click on 'view' tab, and tick the box 'show hidden folders'.

Once this has been done,go to my computer >local disc (prob C on most),> documents and settings > all users > application data > Boinc > slots (I believe garli is in slot 7 though it may be different for yours) look for *.screen.log file(s) and 'open with' notepad.
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Message 4467 - Posted: 23 Sep 2010, 21:31:16 UTC
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Back to the server software. Just to let you know I recieved the notice," Message from project server: GARLI is not available for your type of computer" on the Notice tab and in the event log in boinc ver 6.11.7. First notice I have recieved from the project seems to be working just fine, I think I'm going to like the Notice tab.
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Message 4469 - Posted: 23 Sep 2010, 23:09:10 UTC - in response to Message 4467.

That message is because I've temporarily disabled the Windows version of GARLI, I'm guessing.

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Message 4470 - Posted: 23 Sep 2010, 23:41:54 UTC - in response to Message 4469.
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I don't know if you have seen the Notice Tab that has been added in the ver. 6.11 of Boince Manager. Also the Message Tab is gone and there is a event log that gets all the Messages that the Message tab used to get. Well it is all working and I thought it was because of the server software upgrade. Just wanted to let you know it was working.
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Message 4471 - Posted: 23 Sep 2010, 23:47:12 UTC - in response to Message 4470.

That could certainly be - thanks for letting us know.

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Message 4479 - Posted: 30 Sep 2010, 21:16:07 UTC - in response to Message 4366.

Just got

Notice: Use of undefined constant on - assumed 'on' in /export/work/boinc5/html/user/templates/default_footer.inc on line 39

Notice: Use of undefined constant link - assumed 'link' in /export/work/boinc5/html/user/templates/default_footer.inc on line 40

Notice: Use of undefined constant text - assumed 'text' in /export/work/boinc5/html/user/templates/default_footer.inc on line 40
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Notice: Use of undefined constant on - assumed 'on' in /export/work/boinc5/html/user/templates/default_footer.inc on line 39

Notice: Use of undefined constant link - assumed 'link' in /export/work/boinc5/html/user/templates/default_footer.inc on line 42

Notice: Use of undefined constant text - assumed 'text' in /export/work/boinc5/html/user/templates/default_footer.inc on line 42
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Notice: Use of undefined constant on - assumed 'on' in /export/work/boinc5/html/user/templates/default_footer.inc on line 39

Notice: Use of undefined constant link - assumed 'link' in /export/work/boinc5/html/user/templates/default_footer.inc on line 42

Notice: Use of undefined constant text - assumed 'text' in /export/work/boinc5/html/user/templates/default_footer.inc on line 42
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Notice: Use of undefined constant on - assumed 'on' in /export/work/boinc5/html/user/templates/default_footer.inc on line 39

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Notice: Use of undefined constant text - assumed 'text' in /export/work/boinc5/html/user/templates/default_footer.inc on line 42
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Message 4480 - Posted: 1 Oct 2010, 14:34:55 UTC - in response to Message 4479.

Should be fixed, thanks for pointing it out.

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Message 4481 - Posted: 1 Oct 2010, 17:54:15 UTC - in response to Message 4480.

Yep, the switched view is okay now, but the original view still has some notices:

Default computer location home
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GARLI yes

Notice: Undefined offset: 5 in /export/work/boinc5/html/project/project_specific_prefs.inc on line 86
GARLI-GPU no
HMMPfam yes
MARXAN yes

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Notice: Undefined offset: 2 in /export/work/boinc5/html/project/project_specific_prefs.inc on line 85
GARLI no

Notice: Undefined offset: 5 in /export/work/boinc5/html/project/project_specific_prefs.inc on line 86
GARLI-GPU no
HMMPfam yes
MARXAN yes

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Applications

Notice: Undefined offset: 2 in /export/work/boinc5/html/project/project_specific_prefs.inc on line 85
GARLI no

Notice: Undefined offset: 5 in /export/work/boinc5/html/project/project_specific_prefs.inc on line 86
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HMMPfam yes
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Message 4482 - Posted: 1 Oct 2010, 17:57:38 UTC - in response to Message 4481.

I'm not seeing anything, can you provide a link?

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